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brucegerencser Welcome to the Fallen From Grace blog. Fallen From Grace features the writing of Bruce Gerencser. The primary focus of this blog is Christianity, particularly Evangelical Christianity. You can expect to find regular blog posts on Christianity, the ministry, politics, and an occasional post on sports, technology, environmentalism,books, music and movies.

Bruce pastored  Evangelical churches for 25 years, pastoring churches in Ohio, Michigan, and Texas. Bruce left the ministry in 2005. He has since left the Christian faith and is now an atheist.

Bruce resides in NW Ohio with his wife of 33 years. He is father to 6 children and he is blessed to have 7 grandchildren, with one more on the way.

Thank you for taking time to read the Fallen From Grace blog. Your comments are welcome and appreciated.

If Abortion is Murder

If life begins at conception, and terminating a pregnancy is the murder of a baby as Pro-Life zealots claim, then the following conclusions can be made:

  • The woman who has the abortion is a murderer
  • The doctor who performs the abortion is a murderer
  • The nurse who helps with the abortion is a murderer
  • The receptionist who books the abortion appointment is a murderer

If these conclusions are true then it means that none of these people will go to heaven when they die.

The Bible is clear:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

It is also clear, at least to me, that people who kill innocent men, women, and children in war are murderers too.  Where are the same Pro-Life zealots proclaiming the evil of war?

It seems that killing a zygote is murder but killing an Afghan child or mother is not. It seems that the only life Pro-Lifer’s protect is that which has not yet been born.

I have come to the conclusion that  Pro-Lifer’s who do not condemn war are guilty of facilitating murder. Pro-Lifer’s charge those who believe abortion should be rare, safe, and legal with facilitating murder. As Pro-Lifer’s make quite clear, those who promote and facilitate abortion cannot be Christians. How can they be since they are facilitating murder?

I ask the same about Pro-Lifer’s who promote and facilitate war. How can they be Christian and support the murder of innocent men, women, and children? It seems to me that Heaven is going to be quite empty if murderers are barred from entering. In fact, God the grandest murderer of them all, would be banned from Heaven, according to Revelation 21:8.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22:14,15

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 19:17-19

Anonymous Preacher Deconstructing My Life

An anonymous Pastor is using my life as fodder for his blog. You can check out his “brilliant” prose at the How to Fall Down blog. I tried leaving a comment but it was never posted. Maybe you will fare better.

I am always happy to help Christians understand their religion. As to the writer’s misguided and naïve judgments about my life, all I can say is……welcome to the internet. I can’t control what people say or write about me. If the How to Fall Down blog drives traffic to this blog……who am I to complain.

Have fun.

Bruce

Does Evangelical Christianity Cause Emotional Damage Part 2

vacation to UP 2010-39
Upper Peninsula of Michigan 2010

Please read the first post in this short series if you have not already done so.

Evangelicalism is dominated by Bible literalism. God said it, and that settles it. There can be no debate, no argument. An infallible God has spoken. Whatever the Bible teaches, the Evangelical is duty bound to believe and obey.  While Evangelicals may argue about the finer points of this or that doctrine, calling oneself an Evangelical requires fidelity to certain, established doctrinal truths. It is, after all, the faith once delivered to the saints. Jesus is, after all, the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Emotional manipulation and damage is quite common in Evangelicalism. I hear the screams of offended Evangelicals, screaming for all to hear, that THEIR church is not like that, that their pastor is different. Maybe, perhaps, but I doubt it.

If their church or pastor really is different it is likely because they are not really Evangelical. There are a lot of churches and pastors who are really liberals or progressives who fear making their true identity known. So they maintain the same associations, all the while living a lie. I don’t fault them for this but they really aren’t a legitimate voice of disagreement since they are not really Evangelical.

The true Evangelical may not like what I write. The true Evangelical hates that I am airing their dirty laundry but they know their commitment to Bible literalism demand the beliefs I will share in the rest of this post.

By far, Evangelical women suffer the most emotional abuse. It is hard to imagine any Evangelical woman coming away from Evangelicalism without being emotionally damaged.

Why is this?

What do Evangelicals believe the Bible teaches about women?

  • A woman is weaker than a man
  • A woman requires men to teach her and guide her
  • A woman is to be submissive to her husband in the home and submissive to male leaders in the church
  • A woman must never have authority over a man
  • A woman must dress modestly so that she doesn’t cause men to lust after her
  • A woman’s highest calling is to marry, bare children, and keep the home
  • Feminism is a Satanic attack on God’s order for the church and home

Think about this list for a moment. Are women equal to men? No! Women are, at best, second class citizens. They must never be put in positions where they have control and power. Such places are reserved for men.  We dare not question this……..after all, it is God’s way.

Is it any wonder many Evangelical women lack self-esteem and think poorly of themselves? How could it be otherwise? Everywhere they look women are progressing, free to live their life on their own terms.  Yet, here the Evangelical woman sits, chained to a ancient religious text and a religion that demeans her and views her, at times, as little more than property.

I am sure there are many Evangelical women who vehemently object to my characterization of Evangelicalism. In THEIR church the women are quite happy!  They LOVE being submissive to their husband. They LOVE being relegated to cooking duty, janitorial work, and nursery work. They LOVE having no higher goal than having children, cooking meals, cleaning house, and never having a headache.

I am sure many Evangelical women think this way. However, the better question is WHY do they think like this? Or how could they think any other way given the way God and the Bible is presented to them?

She doesn’t want to disobey God, displease their husband, or be seen as a rebel by the church. What God and man wants, she gives. As long as she lives in the Evangelical bubble she will never really know that life could be different for her.  She doesn’t know the grass is greener on the other side of the fence because the fence reaches from earth to heaven.

I do know this, once a woman breaks free from Evangelicalism, a thousand horses and an arrogant, know it all preacher, couldn’t drag her back. Once free, they realize a whole new world awaits them.

With freedom comes responsibility. No more defaulting to her husband or pastor to make decisions for her. She is free to make her own decisions and choose her own path. She quickly learns that life in the non-Evangelical world has its own problems and that women are not, in many cases, treated equally. As Rick Santorum, the Republican candidate for President has shown every woman who is paying attention, men STILL want to control what a woman does with her body.

Over the years I have watched a lot of women break free from a domineering, controlling Evangelical husband. Often they also broke free from a domineering God and church.  In many cases, the woman went back to college to get an education. No longer content to be a baby breeder, maid, cook, and sex-on-demand machine, she turns to education to improve her place in life. Education often provides a fuller view of the world and opens up all kinds of new opportunity for the woman.

Sadly, this often leads to family problems. Husbands who have worn the pants for decades don’t like the challenge to their authority. This is especially true if the husband remains in the Evangelical church. Many times, these mixed marriages end in divorce. The Evangelical religion was the glue that held the marriage together and once it is removed the marriage falls apart.

Some husbands and wives find a way to keep their marriage intact. This is hard to do. Imagine living in a home where the mother and wife is considered rebellious, sinful, and wicked by the church and pastor. Imagine being considered a Jezebel.  Evangelicals are not kind to those who rebel against God and the Bible. After all, the Bible says rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.

I want to end this post with a bit of personal commentary.

My wife and I will celebrate our 34th wedding anniversary in July. All in all, Polly and I have a great marriage. We are blessed with six children and seven grandchildren. Despite the myriad of health problem I have, Polly has stood by my side, never wavering. In my very biased opinion she deserves the Medal of Valor and the Woman and Mother of the Year Award.

For almost 30 years our marriage was pretty much like what I described above. I was the head of the home. I made all the decisions. Polly bore six children, cooked, and kept the home. On and off she worked outside the home  when economics demanded it. Oh, did I mention that she homeschooled six children too?

I was also Polly’s pastor so there was never a moment of her married life that she was not under my authority. I was the head, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Polly is a pastor’s daughter. Her goal in life was to be a pastor’s wife. She went to college to get a MRS degree. Polly is quiet and reserved. She is also quite passive. She adapted well to being the wife of a Baptist pastor. She was a dutiful wife that always exemplified being in be submission. Never a cross word, never demanding her own way, she always submitted to those who had the authority over her. (and this began long before our marriage)

Four or so years ago things began to change in our marriage. I finally realized how abusive and controlling I had been. Granted, I was just being the kind of husband and pastor I thought I should be. I tried my best to follow the teachings of the Bible and the example of pastors I respected. Regardless of they why’s of the matter, I must own my actions.

Three years and half ago we left the Christian faith. For the first time in our lives we were free from the constraints of God and the Bible. We were free to choose how we wanted to live our lives. Free to decide what kind of marriage we wanted to have.

In many ways very little has changed. Polly still cooks because she LOVES to cook.(thanks be to Zeus)  I still manage the household finances because I am better at it. We both take care of household chores. I still do most of the shopping but I no longer make the list. I am the numbers guy who can figure out price per ounce in my head.  By the time Polly finds her calculator in that bottomless purse of hers I already have the equation figured out. Each of us try to do the things we are good at.

Here’s where the real difference comes in. I now ask, What do you think? What do you think we should do? Where do you want to go? On top or bottom?  Smile  Instead of things being my way I try my best to make sure things our OUR way.

We have learned that it is OK to have a life outside of each other. To have desires, wants and hobbies that the the other person may not have. The Vulcan mind meld has been broken.

Polly is a shift supervisor where she works. Out from the shadow of her pastor husband she has excelled at work. Her yearly reviews are always excellent and she is considered a great worker by everyone who works with her.

A year and a half ago she bought a new car in her own name. Yes, I helped picked out the car and took care of the financing details but it is her car. A first……..and a BIG deal.

In May, Polly will graduate from NW State Community College. I am so proud of her. This was a huge undertaking for her and she has done quite well. (yes Honey you WILL pass statistics) Smile 

Polly continues to break out of her shell and I am forced to learn what it means to be a good man and husband. We still have our moments. There are times when both Polly and I find it quite easy to fall back into the mode we were in as Rev and Mrs. Pastor. As you know, it is not easy to  change attitudes and lifestyles decades in the making.  But…..we are headed in the right direction.

To the women who read this blog:  How has your life and marriage changed since you left Christianity? If you are still a Christian but now a progressive or liberal Christian, how has your life and marriage changed?

Who Am I? by Matthew Mayfield

From Matthew Mayfield’s Man-Made Machines EP

Chemicals in the sky
Paint it red, paint it white
The Universe’s flag to fly

Do you hear screaming tonight?
Silence all their kind
Take this gun and reply

If God is on your side
Does that make it alright
To let that bullet fly
With your nation’s pride
If God is on your side
Who am I?

Black – the cause that he rides
And poor – the man that he bribes
For the blood of his wife
Dark—the cavernous womb
Blood is black under the moon
That fear we love is in bloom

If God is on your side
Does that make it alright
To let that bullet fly
With your nation’s pride
If God is on your side
Who am I?
Who am ?

So we take what we know
Both the fear and the show
Under promises to both
Allegiances fold

Foreign and domestic
We are enemies the same
Buried in that blood that we spill for our gain
If you are still a prophet than you probably can tell
That I’m not much of Heaven, I am mostly made of Hell
And if you have no intention of your love coming to life
Then let’s fire up that fucker and get out of here tonight
Let’s get out of here tonight…

If God is on your side
Does that make it alright
To let that bullet fly
With your nation’s pride
If God is on your side
Who am I?

Matthew Mayfield Website

Does Evangelical Christianity Cause Emotional Damage?

Evangelical Christianity teaches that humans are, by nature, sinners. Humans do not become sinners, they are sinners. Humans are born with a sin nature. From the very moment they come into this world they are sinners. This is the lot of the human race. No one, except Jesus, is exempt.

What is sin? Sin is transgression of the law of God. God is Holy. He hates sin and those who do it.  When Jesus came to earth he came to settle humanity’s sin debt. Humans deserve to be eternally punished in the Lake of Fire for their sin and Jesus came to earth to take that punishment upon himself.

When Jesus was on the cross the wrath of God the Father was poured out on Him. Wrath that humans deserved. With his death on the cross, Jesus satisfied humanity’s sin debt. (unless you are a Calvinist, then Jesus only satisfied the elect’s sin debt)

Evangelicals believe in justification by faith. Simply put, justification by faith means that God looks at a saved (born again) sinner “just as if they never sinned.”

How is this possible? God hasn’t changed! He still hates sin and those who do it. He still throws people in the Lake of Fire to be tormented for eternity. God is God and this is what God does.

Even after salvation, God still views sin and and the sinner the same way. But now there is a go-between, Jesus the crucified and risen Savior. Jesus stands between God the Father and the saved sinner. God doesn’t see the saved sinner’s sin. All he sees is his son Jesus and his atoning work on the cross.

What I have just written is Evangelicalism 101. It is classic substitutionary atonement, justified by faith, Protestant theology. Understanding this will be key to what I write next.

How is the Evangelical to understand themselves?

  • I am a sinner. I sin daily in word, thought, and deed.
  • Even now, I deserve hell and punishment from God.
  • The only difference between me and the worst of sinners is that I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. The blood of Jesus covers my sin.
  • No matter what suffering and pain comes in my life, I should be grateful that I am saved and that I have escaped the eternal punishment of the Lake of Fire.

Most Evangelical pastors, especially the extreme Fundamentalists, spend a lot of time preaching about sin. They really can’t be faulted for doing this. As People of the Book, they must preach what is found in the Bible and the Bible spends a lot of time talking about sin.

In the Old Testament alone there is 635 laws. Then there is the New Testament with all the new laws Jesus, Paul, John and Peter added. Add to this the pastor or the church’s personal interpretation of the laws, commands, and precepts found in the Bible…….well there’s plenty of sin to preach about.

Needless to say there is a lot of guilt in Evangelical churches. For all their talk about grace, guilt permeates the Evangelical church. Despite being miraculously saved, the Evangelical still sins. No matter how often the pastor preaches on this or that sin they still sin. In fact, the Evangelical sins as much and as often as non-Evangelicals. Evangelicals commit sexual sin, get divorced, commit felony crimes, etc. at the same level as non-religious people do. In every way they are just as sinful as the next person.

But….they are not supposed to….the preacher thunders from the pulpit. How DARE they sin……look at what Jesus did for them! How dare they, who have been freed from sin, continue any longer therein?

God even gave the Evangelical a sin meter called the Holy Spirit. When temptation comes the sin meter starts saying, NO! NO! Don’t do this! Turn! Run! Leave! Stop!

Yet, even with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Bible, and a thundering Preacher, Evangelicals still sin like everyone else does. This ever-present reality results in a lifetime of guilt.

Altars are routinely lined with people “getting right with God.” Churches hold revival services so Church members can get their lives straightened out and return to walking the straight and narrow. Pastors spend hours each week counseling church members who find themselves ensnared by Satan, caught up in temptation and sin. Preachers themselves are routinely caught up in this or that sin. If the preacher can’t walk the talk how can anyone do so?

For all the talk about forgiveness and deliverance, sin is still the number one problem the Evangelical faces in their day to day life. No matter how much they pray and ask forgiveness, sin keeps returning, spoiling their attempt to live a Godly life.

A lifetime of this kind of living makes a people an emotional train wreck. Over time, they learn how to “hide” their sin. They learn the right things to say when asked about how things are in their lives. They learn how to play the “I am right with God” game. They, like most who have come before them, learn to have an outward façade that masks the reality of their life.

They know they are a fraud, a hypocrite, yet they dare not admit this to anyone. Little do they know that EVERYONE, including the pastor, is just like them.

Some people, after decades of being on the sin roller coaster decide to get off.  They crave an opportunity to live an authentic life, a life that is free from the emotional weight of frequent condemnation.

Getting off the roller coaster is not easy. The emotional baggage weighs the person down. Isn’t their walking away the BIGGEST sin of them all? Doesn’t this prove they never were a real, bought-by-the-blood, sanctified follower of Jesus? The church, the pastor, and their Evangelical family will condemn them for leaving. Someone will surely quote the Bible, they went out from us because they were not of us. For if they were of us, they would have continued with us.” Leaving is PROOF they never were the real deal. No matter how many years they faithfully walked the straight and narrow…….their life was a fraud.

Once free……….an interesting thing happens. The guilt begins to recede. The emotions start to settle. For the first times in years they experience peace. It took leaving the Prince of Peace for them to experience peace.

Instead of a life dominated by a sin nature, they learn to live their life by doing good. They learn that many of the actions the Bible, the pastor, and the church called sin is not sin at all.

As time goes on their list of “sins” becomes smaller and smaller.  Perhaps they learn that there isn’t really any such thing as sin. People do good and bad and should be judged, not by a moral standard found in an antiquated book, but by a basic humanistic, common morality. A morality that respects the private acts of consenting adults. A morality that recognizes that many of the acts of other human beings are none of their business.

They now have the freedom to live their life on their own terms,  according to their own morality. People from their past warn them that they have made themselves their own God and that if they are not careful they will become a reprobate. The threatening’s no longer have the desired effect.

The preaching, Bible quoting, and condemnation falls on deaf ears. Freedom is sweet and like the Israelites of the Old Testament, having left Egypt on a journey to the Promised Land, they have no desire to return to the bondage of Evangelicalism.

Once free…….having experienced the peace that passeth all Evangelicalism…..they will never return……Like the old Southern Gospel song…….They have gone to far to turn back now!